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Hey friends, welcome to Honest Christian Conversations.
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I'm your host, anna Murby, and this is season five.
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I cannot believe I am at season five already.
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Thank you so much to everybody who has been listening since the very beginning, when my podcast had a different name, I wasn't consistent with it and I didn't even know what I was doing.
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Thank you so much for sticking with it, and if you really are curious to know what that other name was, feel free to go and listen to season one and you'll figure it out.
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Thank you to those who listen, just to listen every once in a while.
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Maybe you're not consistent, maybe you don't follow the show or subscribe.
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That's totally fine.
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I'm still thankful that you are listening to this episode and for all the episodes you have listened to.
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God is working through that, because I'm always praying for everyone who's listening.
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So you're getting something out of it and I'm thankful that you tuned in.
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I'm also thankful for all those who are now going to be subscribed on YouTube.
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You get to see and hear me and my guests on these podcasts.
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I'm thankful for you tuning in as well.
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I was nervous to start seasons with video, but I'm also really excited for it.
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I think it'll be great for you to be able to see my guests rather than just hear their amazing stories.
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Yeah, if you don't know about any of my amazing guests that I have had on, you need to go back and listen to season three and four, because those guests are super amazing, their stories are awesome and very encouraging and you are going to be blessed by every episode that you listen to.
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Before I get started with today's episode, I want to say also a special thank you to Alex and Alicia Sanfilippo from Podmatch.
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If it wasn't for Alex coming to me and emailing me in June of 2024, I don't know if I would still be here podcasting because I was about to pod fade and for those who don't know what that is, that just basically means I was about to fizzle out and stop podcasting.
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I owe a lot of my podcasting success to their help through Podmatch, through the tests that I've taken to figure out what kind of podcaster I was.
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That actually helped me grow as a spiritual person as well and has helped me in my Christian walk too.
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So I definitely owe a lot of my podcasting success to them and their help, their heart for serving indie podcasters like myself.
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So with that out of the way, all the awesome praise and thank you to all my fans, my followers, my listeners and to Podmatch.
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I would like to introduce today's guest.
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Her name is Amy Lyka.
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She is a wonderful woman.
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I am so blessed that I got to talk to her.
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She has a very unique ministry and it's full of the idea of prayer.
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She is very full of a love for prayer and you are going to find her love for prayer contagious, as I have.
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She's got such a bubbly personality.
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I really can't wait for you to hear this episode because she is on fire for prayer and I'm hoping at the end of this so will you also be.
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And yes, I am very aware that that sounded weird the way I said it.
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You're going to get used to it.
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If this is your first time listening, I do say weird things.
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Go back and listen to my Christmas episode I did with Laura Buckley.
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I made a very funny faux pas in that that had us rolling with laughter.
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That was a very fun Christmas episode and I hope it gave you Christmas cheer if you did listen to that.
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So that was aired on actually Christmas Day 2024.
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So go back and find that episode.
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You are going to be blessed by my faux pas.
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With that, we are going to get in today's episode.
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Before the episode starts.
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Make sure you follow the show so you never miss another episode.
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Amy, thank you so much for coming on the show today.
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I'm very excited to talk to you about intercessory prayer.
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This is a subject that, I'll be honest, I don't really know a lot about.
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I have experienced it in my life at certain points, but I've never thought deeply about how powerful it can be, nor have I actually partook of it without wanting something back for my own self.
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I haven't actually participated in it without expecting God to do something for me.
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I don't know if I'm the only one who's ever been there done that, but I loved all the episodes I heard you talking about this on, and it's such an amazing gift to businesses to do something like that.
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Maybe they never thought about doing that, maybe they want to, but they didn't know how.
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So for you to come in and do that, I think that's awesome.
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But before we get into that, why don't you share with my audience why you have such a heart for intercessory prayer, why you have such a heart for others?
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Because I can see that in your upbringing and everything, I can see why you are doing what you are doing today, so go ahead and share that with our audience.
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Thank you, ana.
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Yeah, I love what you said about just always wanting to come to intercessory prayer but expecting something.
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And it kind of blew my mind when my business partner, when I first met him, and he said why would we pray if we didn't expect God to do something?
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Why would we pray and not expect a result?
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And so, instead of prayer being something that was kind of the good Christian thing to do, like check it off your list, it moved it more into a place of no, you do this because you actually do expect a result.
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So I think it's wonderful actually that you would pray and expect a result.
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That's exactly what you should be after.
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High five, high five to you.
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So good.
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But my background, my parents, my dad was on a missions agency.
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He worked for a missions agency and they always had morning prayer as part of their staff meeting.
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And then, when my parents started a business, they thought that was really a good thing, that's just part of what we want for our own lives, a way of expressing our own values.
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And so they opted then to pay their staff to pray every morning during morning meeting if they chose to, so we don't have only Christians on staff, but those who would like to be paid for prayer, they can come and do that.
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So for 30 years, that was just my norm.
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I thought that was a pretty basic thing for business.
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I didn't realize how unusual that was, and so then, about 30 years in though, I thought I feel like there are things in the business.
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We've seen really beautiful protection, we've seen beautiful covering, but it feels like there are certain things that are not shifting, and I don't know how to make them shift other than through more prayer.
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I felt a little bit like I had a football field that I was trying to water with a garden hose, and I knew that I needed either something more, like a fire hose or a sprinkler system or rain, but I needed something that was bigger, and so I went looking for somebody who knew more about how to pray effectively, and so that was when I found my who's, now my business partner, and I was so inspired by the changes that I saw that I, within a couple of weeks, I was like are there other people on your team?
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Can I join your team?
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I'm super excited about this.
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That's awesome, yeah, and I mean it's such an amazing and, like I said, it's an unexpected ministry tool that I didn't even know existed and I'm pretty sure no one else really did.
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But now that they do, I hope a lot of businesses are going to come to you and want that.
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Do you work with all kinds of businesses, like whether they're people of faith or not, or do you just have a certain type that you work with?
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That's a beautiful question.
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So basically we don't restrict.
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So if people want prayer, we are happy to pray for them.
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So I have a few fun stories.
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One of our clients said I love this so much, I would love to sponsor my children's Taekwondo studio because I just treasure the perspective that this man, mr Strong, who owns it.
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I treasure him and what he's doing, and so I thought, well, I don't think he's a believer, but I do want what he's doing to thrive.
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And so we prayed for his business for a while and it was just, it was beautiful to see how the Lord answered prayers, even though he wasn't specifically asking for anything and wasn't even a believer.
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But most of our clients are believers, but they're not all business owners.
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We have people from a wide range of different occupations and then some of them are employees.
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We also have people in ministry and we have a few that are just families that feel like in our family we would like to have a little bit more prayer.
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So we have such a range.
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It's really a great privilege.
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Yeah, and I think it's a great opportunity to share the love of Jesus If you do it for someone who's either they're asking on behalf of someone else like with the studio, he wasn't specifically asking but if he can see the fruit of what people are praying for on his behalf, he's going to see Jesus through that, and who knows where that'll take him.
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So I think that's great that you guys don't discriminate or anything like that on oh, I'm sorry, you're not of faith, so no, you know, it's like everyone could use prayer from the right God.
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So it's good that you do that, and I think that's an even more phenomenal idea than what it already was to begin with.
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So that's great.
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Have you had to work for any businesses that were awkward for you?
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I'm trying to think of you know, like maybe it's something that doesn't align with your values or something like that.
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Have you had them come to you and ask for prayer?
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So that's a that's an interesting way of putting it.
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I I don't know that I would say there were any businesses that I would not have already wanted to pray for.
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But I can also recognize one example.
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We know that we have some of our clients who were very excited about the COVID vaccine clients that would be, if not opposed to it, at least more questioning or kind of let's take this without enthusiasm but just kind of sober-mindedly investigate.
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So we had, I guess you could say, a range, and that is.
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It's an interesting thing, because that was a very divisive issue, to be able to say let's be open-handed about this and be at peace.
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We don't need to side necessarily one way or the other, but we can say Lord, be at work in the lives of all of our people.
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So I guess, even with that, one of the really beautiful things is.
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Taking another really divisive issue of politics, one of the things that my business partner said was that years ago one of his friends, he was praying, I think, for President Bush, and at one point President Bush was talking to somebody and he said thank you for your prayers.
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This job is far harder than I would have ever expected.
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And then some years later, people would pray for President Obama, and at one point President Obama also said to I forget if it was Franklin Graham or somebody, a well-known Christian leader.
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He said thank you for praying.
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This job is far harder than I would have expected, and so at that point I felt like it shifted something in Bob's heart.
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The scripture tells us to pray for those who are in authority, whether they are, it kind of.
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It says that about a Roman emperor who was very, very ungodly.
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And so if you're praying, for a really ungodly Roman emperor.
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You really actually have no excuse not to pray, and so I have appreciated that really for Bob.
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He's like we just pray for those who are in authority and we pray for the Lord to be speaking to them, for there to be honor paid to the role, even if you don't necessarily like all of the policies, and so I felt like that was so precious, so honoring to be able to say it doesn't matter on which side you fall, and really in any of these discussions we want to be asking that the Holy Spirit would be at work in the lives of the people.
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Yeah, I love that answer, Definitely.
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Prayer does not have, I guess, boundaries.
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Everyone can receive it, Everyone needs it and, like you said, it doesn't matter what side you fall on politically, medically, all these different things you can pray for someone who disagrees with you, and the Bible tells us to pray for your enemies, pray for those who persecute you.
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If he didn't want us to do that, he wouldn't have told us to do that.
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So clearly we're not meant to segregate and stay in the comfortable, which is what I've.
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I'll be honest and say that that has been my thing, because I grew up in the church.
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I rarely had friends who weren't Christians and it's hard for me to step out of my Christian bubble if you will and be out there with people who disagree with me on religions or whatever, and I'm trying to work on that, but it's hard.
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It's not something I'm used to, but it is something I'd be open to.
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So there it is.
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Everyone who's listening.
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If you want to come at me with something different from what I'm used to, I'm game to talk, so share with us one very special moment.
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What opportunity you've had to pray for somebody that it changed their life significantly and it changed your life significantly.
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Oh, wow so.
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Lord.
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What would be a good option for that?
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One of the things we we both want to pray for businesses, but we also want to train people in how to pray effectively, because in order to have a large enough team to be able to pray effectively for businesses, we need to have trained intercessors.
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So we also run prayer mentoring at different times throughout the course of the year, and so at one point, the first round of prayer mentoring, we had somebody announce to the group I just found out that my husband is having an affair, and so she was, and I was like that's pretty gutsy, like I don't know if I would ask for prayer if I found out my husband was having an affair.
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You know, you kind of want to keep that to yourself.
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There's a level of shame with that and and yet people prayed for her and I asked her about it later and she said I was in such pain, I just it was like I had to have additional prayer coverage and so over the course of it did not.
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It was not a swift process.
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It took probably 18 months before she was even able to wear her wedding ring again.
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But over time there has been this really beautiful reconciliation and re-knitting together of their hearts and I had the privilege of sitting with them earlier this year and they said without your prayer coverage I'm not sure that we would have made it, and it's beautiful.
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In one of our books we published her poems, her collection of poems.
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It's called Molten Lover.
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I didn't say that very well, molten Lover, and in many ways it's like in the scriptures, when you look at God, the way that he describes the children of Israel, especially in the Old Testament, it's like you are adulterers, you're, you're awful, go away.
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But then, on the other hand, it's like but I miss you so much and I love you, come back.
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It's kind of like this whiplash effect of just that.
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It's such a place of pain, and so what I loved about her collection of poems is that it's demonstrating all of that, but that's also how the Lord thinks about us.
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He loves us so much but there's also so much pain in that, and so I guess I'm not sure if I would say that completely changed my life, but it was a beautiful reminder for me of seeing afresh and anew how much the Lord loves us in the midst of our own issues that we're walking through.
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I know my friend.
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One of the things that she said as she was trying to figure out like legally, scripturally, I could leave my husband, I don't have to stay in this relationship.
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But she said in the end I just felt like no, I am his fan, I want good things for him, so I'm willing to stay in it because I'm a fan of who he is.
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So I thought, oh, that's in many ways how the Lord is towards us, right, that he's just for us.
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So thank you for that question.
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Yeah, that's a bold woman.
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Like you said, no one really comes out with their big baggage and wanting to talk about it, because there's a level of shame with that, with addiction, there's always shame with that, and that's how Satan tries to keep us trapped, because if we don't ask for prayer, we can't heal.
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So I'm proud of her for taking that step to come out and share that and look at what God did with that.
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That's amazing.
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Prayer changes things, and in one of your episodes that you were featured on, you mentioned something about how we need to, like you said, pray expecting to get something out of it.
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Why are you going to pray, not to expect anything?
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And you were mentioning the conference you went to with I'm forgetting her name McNutt, that's how I remember.
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Yes.
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Good job, and she was talking about healing and how, when you're praying for healing, you should be praying to expect something.
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I think some people take it too far and they're expecting that they're going to get what they're praying for specifically, rather than maybe God's got a different plan for you and it's not that.
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So how do you deal with situations where you're praying for something specifically that someone wants you to pray for but it doesn't come to pass that way?
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How do you help them through that to see that God still works miracles, he still does what he says he's going to do, he's still faithful and you can still trust and pray to him?
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How do you help them when they have that moment of maybe doubt or maybe just depression because it didn't go the way they were expecting?
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Yeah, that is a really powerful question because there isn't an easy answer, right?
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So I think we've all experienced things where you pray I prayed for my friend and she died of cancer and that's just a reality that that does happen.
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And so I loved what Judith McNutt said, which is, when we pray, something always happens, and so that's really the perspective that I come to prayer is that I don't know what it is specifically that's happening, but I know that something is happening and so I guess in certain places, like in a really significant loss, I just actually have to walk through the grief of that, and so there's that's not a wrong response, that's an unnatural and a right response because of the love that I had for her.
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And so I would say, like for some of our clients, when they come to us, their businesses are struggling and then, as there are clients, their businesses either continue to struggle or they might even have to close down.
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I don't know if that's specifically happened, but it could, and that's, I would say, the normal thing with that is that then you grieve that because that is actually a loss.
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So any loss that we deal with, I think what the scripture says is that blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
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So the beautiful thing is that we're not mourning in order to get more mourning, that we mourn because then we get comforted, but you do actually have to walk through the process of grief.
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So I think a lot of as I teach on prayer, as I think about prayer, as I pray myself, a lot of it is actually just saying Lord, I'm telling you what I would prefer, I'm telling you what I'm hoping for, what I would like to expect, but I also am not the God of the universe and I don't have infinite knowledge or understanding or power.
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So I'm, in many ways, much of what I pray is like this is what I would like, but I'm also leaving the results to you, lord, and you work it out as you will, and that I wish in many ways that I could just pray and there would be a guarantee.
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But I think that would be kind of disturbing in its own way.
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But I think that would be kind of disturbing in its own way.
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So I would say part of even what we are seeking as we teach is to say God is actually good, and so let's work from the perspective that God is good, that he's not there to smite us, that he's there to bless us, but that if sometimes the blessing that he sends isn't anything like what we expected, it would be to say, lord, then let us walk through that grief and then show us how to hope and have faith for the future.
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So one of my friends will talk about how, uh, what it says in first Corinthians 13 about faith, hope and love remain, or faith, hope and love abide, that that is not something that is just in this life, that it's almost like we are building up our faith, hope and love muscles on this earth because we're going to be stretching those into eternity, because there's always going to be more Of the increase of his government.
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There will be no end.
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So it's like, even into the eternity there still is increase, that we're still going to be living from a place of faith and hope.
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It's a great question.
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Yes, and that was a great answer.
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Well, thank you answer.
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It's easier to handle the grief of things not going your way when you have people in your corner helping you through.
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If you're doing it alone, I can see why you would fall into despair and thinking God doesn't care or anything.
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But if you have someone who's been there, done that, they can help you through it and say you know, I've gone through that season of God not answering a prayer the way I was expecting.
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Let me help you pick up from where you are and we can move forward together.
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I mean, it talks about iron, sharpening iron in the Bible cord of three strands.
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Obviously, we need each other.
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So prayer is a very powerful thing and when you can get more than one person in on it, it definitely has big powers.
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So you are a wife and a mother of five boys right, Correct and you own a farm.
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Well, not own, you have a farm we live on.
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land is probably how I would say it.
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I used to want six boys.
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I have five kids, three girls and two boys, so I didn't quite get what I wanted.
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Okay, that's okay, because all my kids are rambunctious anyway.
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Yeah, because all my kids are rambunctious anyway.
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But my question is how do they see what you do?
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Does it impact them significantly, especially your kids?
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Because they see what you do for a living.
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They see how important prayer is to you.
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Has it strengthened their prayer life?
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Do they have the same desires to want to intercess for others who might need it?
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Or are they just, you know, I mean, depending on their age, maybe they're just like whatever, because they're not old enough yet.
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That's a really interesting question.
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So I'm 45, and so I have really been interested in prayer since I was.
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I think I would have been 40 when I first went to a Judith McNutt conference and felt like, oh, I'm entering back into prayer at a deeper level.
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I feel like during the time that my children were young, I was still a good Christian mom, but I was not as passionate about prayer.
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I didn't understand how to do it effectively.
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It kind of freaked me out, and so I would say the way that it looks for them is often, if they don't feel good, let me make sure that I'm praying over them and praying for them.
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If there's something that we're wondering about, it's like well then let's just ask the Lord.
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We don't really know what to do here.
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Can we please have some wisdom?
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And then a lot of it is.
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Also, if we're driving somewhere, I'll be like all right, let's talk about deliverance.
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And then I just give them a lecture on how to do deliverance and why they might want it at some point.
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But because they are older, three of them are already working with my husband and then the younger two are at home but often doing their own things.
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I would say there is less that they're actively watching me.
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A lot of my time of prayer is spent either on the phone, walking and praying, or in the lower pasture on my own praying.
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So if we're walking through the airport and I have my arm up listening to worship music, they're usually not like let's walk right next to mom.
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So everybody knows we're together.
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They're usually like we'll meet you at the gate mom.
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But I think there's a lot of.
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What I've noticed is that with my own life, I look back at the things that my parents did.
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So, even though they didn't necessarily teach me, like I have the pattern of that, so even if my boys never want to walk through the airport with their arm up praising the Lord, I'm okay with that, like that's also very specific to me, but they know that that is something that I do and so they have it kind of in their muscle memory.
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So yeah, yeah.
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That makes sense.
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It's so hard to get kids interested in the things of God compared to the things of this earth and I know I've had troubles trying to get my children to want to read the Bible.
