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I had a great conversation with my friend, richard Walsh.
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If you aren't familiar with him, go back and listen to Season 3, episode 5, titled Finding Freedom in Business and Personal Life.
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He shared his testimony of how his first business crumbled before his very eyes and he had nowhere else to look but up to Christ.
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Now he has a thriving business helping entrepreneurs, love what they do and have their priorities right.
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On this episode, however, we get into a conversation not about business, but about generational curses.
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Are they real and, if so, how do we break them?
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Stay tuned to this episode for the answers.
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Be sure to share this episode with family and friends so they, too, can be blessed by the contents of this episode.
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Thank you, richard, for coming back on the show.
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I'm very excited to talk to you about today's topic, which is generational curses, or bloodline curses is sometimes a thing that they say too, so, without further ado, I would like you to tell us what you think about that, your position.
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Okay, I like this topic actually.
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Now, I am a pro-generational curses individual, but I think the caveat to it is I think there's a misunderstanding.
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Okay.
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Well, yeah, there's a misunderstanding, but there's a process of generational curses.
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I don't think people understand and I think not to cut in, but I do think maybe the deliverance ministry, a little bit, has took the concept and ran with it to try to make some money off of it, which I think is one of the reasons why there's so much misunderstanding about it, because after listening to some videos that I sent you, that I also listened to, I kind of get where they're coming with it and I do agree with some of it.
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But I think a lot of the ministries out there that are pushing for all that are just they're not right.
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So yeah, I'm not and I agree with you.
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I mean, is this not true in all areas?
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And the church, there's always people trying to prophetize something right, they'll take it, they'll twist it through.
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I mean, we see it everywhere, it's not?
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The funny thing is, let me ask you this, because so you have whoever Benny Hinn, whoever and they're doing their crazy stuff and whatever, and they're all that, but people still truly get healed, right.
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So in the beginning, years ago, I was like, okay, these guys are just, you know, they're just.
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I can't come up with the right word right now, proper word.
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Well, I think I know where you're going with that, because that's kind of how I am at the moment.
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I don't call myself well.
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I guess some people call themselves cessationists or continuationists.
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I'm a soft cessationist in the fact that I don't think people themselves have the abilities to heal.
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I think God can do whatever he wants through whoever he wants, however he wants.
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But people who say, oh, I have the gift of this or whatever, I don't believe that's correct for them to say anymore.
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And I think that's kind of where you're going with Benny Hinn.
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But it's hard to say without it sounding rude, you know, kooky or something.
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Yeah, I think the word I was going to use was charlatan rude you know kooky or something.
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Yeah, I think the word I was going to use was charlatan.
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Yes, I want to use that too.
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I agree, I listened to his nephew.
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I don't know if you know who Kosti Hinn is, but he's amazing and he's come out and talked about you know what it was like behind the scenes and he talks about the real gospel.
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His podcast is called For the Gospel.
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I love it.
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It's where I get a lot of my material, I suppose.
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But yeah, that's a rabbit trail we could go down.
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Yeah, for sure, but I think and you're right, I think anyone who's claiming the gift of healing okay, that's incorrect.
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It is God who's healing right.
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Anyone can heal someone because God is healing them Right.
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It's truly the faith of the individual being healed that is causing the healing, it's not the person laying hands up.
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That's the thing you know, and that's why and we don't know why some people get healed and some people don't get healed and all that stuff, right, yeah, so this is probably a whole other thing, but I think it's still part of, I think it's part of generational curses.
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I think it really is.
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It's an absolute part of generational curses from the standpoint that.
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So let's get.
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Let me I'll complete the thought process here on generational curses.
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So I believe in that.
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And there are generational.
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Okay, because you learn from your family.
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All of us, probably even the tiniest degree, we've been I'm air quoting traumatized by a family experience at one time or another, right?
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Whether it's that one time your dad lost his cool or whatever you know.
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So, kind of all.
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Been there, I got 60.
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My dad used to throw me in the pool, even though I didn't want him to.
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I hate swimming.
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Now I don't know if that's what you mean.
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but that's one of mine, it's one of my things.
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My wife, my wife, would let me thrash my children in the sandpit when they did wrong things, you know, with pushups and beds and thrusts and mountain climbers.
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So and I realized, well, yeah, I would, they would all hate fitness and how, they all love fitness.
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So, because I didn't do that, so I didn't equate punishment with that.
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But I think what happens is, whatever that is and some may have.
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I have trauma as a kid and growing up in the environment I did, and other people do, and whatever that might be, and it can get passed down because we repeat what we know.
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I always talk about where's cloth untaut when raising children.
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Well, that's just it.
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They see, you see what goes on.
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It doesn't matter what someone tells you.
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It's the seeing, is believing, right.
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So that becomes part of what you are, who you are.
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You see their actions.
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You duplicate those because that's our default.
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So when things are stressed or bad, you're going to go to what you saw and what you know, right, what you actually saw as a kid.
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That's the example.
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You don't know any different.
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So you have that Now.
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Is alcoholism, that Is drug addiction, that.
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Well, yeah, I don't know what the genetic?
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You know, the show is genetic, it's not genetic yeah, balsam's not genetic.
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Yeah, I agree in that sense, because I had a stint where I was drinking a lot and smoking was never something I wanted to do or whatever.
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But I did have a binge drinking not even a whole year because I had gotten alcohol poisoning and it was really bad.
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I was in bed for, I think, almost a week.
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I couldn't get out, couldn't even sit up without feeling dizzy and immediately needing to vomit.
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Sorry, tmi, but yeah.
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So it was enough for me to say I'm never drinking again, and I don't.
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I mean, I could barely have a sip.
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Now If I start feeling even the slightest bit of fuzzy, I start freaking out.
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I was like never again, I can't.
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So I don't even drink now.
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So genetically, yeah, I don't think it's a thing that people can say.
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I think that's just an excuse that people will give, because if you look at your family line, at some point someone wasn't drinking and then at some point someone was.
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So you got to look at the factors of that.
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I would say maybe even with divorce, like in my family.
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On my mom's side, divorce is a thing that's been going on for a few generations.
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Her mom was divorced several times, my mom's on her second marriage.
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On my dad's side, everyone stayed together except for my dad.
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He's on his third marriage.
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Just like me, I'm on my third marriage, but I think that's more of bad decisions we made product of our environment, the way.
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Like you were saying, there's certain curses, there's certain things that come through our bloodlines that we have experienced and we fall back on those in certain times of our lives.
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Right, and I think here's the problem, here's why it's, and I don't.
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You can give me your stance on this too.
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So when people I think, when they I think, when people say they don't believe in generational curses, it's because they don't believe the people who say they're generational curses that can't be broken.
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See, I think a lot of people have that.
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Well, I'm just doomed.
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It's a generational curse.
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But well, what curse can't be broken?
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Right, and that's where the power of the Lord comes in, right?
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All this stuff can be broken.
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We can also.
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You can even take it from a worldly standpoint.
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Like I grew up with, certain things happened in my family that I've vowed not to repeat in my family in my own with my kids and we did it.
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We're not what I grew up with.
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You know one of my brothers has issues.
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You know he couldn't break certain things because he didn't make a conscious effort to do it.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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But I also believe that, just like unforgiveness or forgiveness with someone who's died, right, you can't live with unforgiveness, right, we're told that and you can't do it.
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But you also just can't forgive someone who hasn't asked for forgiveness.
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But what if they die, like?
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My mother died at 58 and I didn't?
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She never asked forgiveness for all the stuff she did.
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So am I doomed?
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Yeah.
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Do I now have a generational curse of abuse?
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Do I have to live with unforgiveness for the rest of my life and be bitter and not respect women and the whole thing?
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Well, no, you have to finish the process of forgiveness, right?
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So, if someone doesn't like so, I walked these, I was teaching these kids and I walked them through this process and I like to share this because I think it's really, really important, and this ties into generational curses too.
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So you have someone who did something really bad to you.
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They haven't asked for forgiveness, they don't feel they need to forgive you, whatever the case, and or they've died and now you can't.
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They're never going to right.
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So how do you deal with that?
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Well, what I think everyone says, because you hear it from the pastoral podium you can't live without forgiveness, just forgive.
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You can't have forgiveness in your heart.
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We're like, okay, so people, so you've been abused by your, you're a woman who was abused and molested and everything else, by your parent, you know, by a father or whatever it is, or a brother, whatever all that, and you're supposed to just let that go.
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Like you think that works?
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Does that sound effective?
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Okay, so they go.
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Well, okay, I forgive them.
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They died.
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And then you feel good for like a moment.
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It's like a sugar hit, right.
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It's like you get that oh, that makes you the dope mean hits and that's good.
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But three weeks later, a month later, you're back to same old stuff.
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You're going back into what we'll call the generational curse.
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You're being this way.
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So here's the process.
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This is how you do it.
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I've done this for myself and it works and it's amazing.
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So if you've lost the ability to receive someone to ask you for forgiveness, like my mother, she died, so I go, oh, I have to take that unforgiveness and give it to the Lord.
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Like I said, lord, I can't do this.
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There's no way they can ask me Because, again, I'm sorry, I jumped around a little bit, but what I would ask these kids or ask anybody, is will God forgive you if you don't ask for forgiveness?
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Simple question, right?
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Yeah.
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And he won't Exactly Because he's a just God.
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Yeah.
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And he can't be anything but a just God.
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So if he can't do it, why should we?
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That's my question.
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I just ask then how can we?
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If God can't do it and we are Christ followers, then how can we, if God can't do it and we are Christ followers, you know, and our goal is to live like Christ, you know, to follow God.
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How can we do that?
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So you can't.
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What you have to do is you have to give this burden to the Lord and you say Lord again.
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The opportunity for this person to ask for forgiveness is not there, but I have this bitterness, I have this unforgiveness in my heart.
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I need you to take this because your burdens are light.
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I need to cast this on you and if the person's still alive, you say I will continue to pray for that person.
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That they do come ask, but for now I can't live with this.
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Can you take this from me, please?
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Take it from me and give it to the Lord Now.
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The Lord can deal with that.
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The Lord can do that work and we don't have to.
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And I'm telling you, when I learned that and did that because of my mother and other instances of my life people who are alive.
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I never in my life felt burden lifted off me.
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Out of all the crises I've been through right and all the hard things I've done, out of all the crazies I've been through right and all the hard things I've done.
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That changed everything.
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That lifted all that off and just like freedom, it was amazing.
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So I just want to correlate that with generational curses.
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You have to do the same thing Because a lot of times, obviously three generations ago, those people aren't living.
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They did it, they started it.
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Ask for that strength to change direction, to not repeat that.
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Ask for the eyes and ears to hear and see if you're going back that direction.
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That's how you break it and then your children see that you've put in this effort.
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They understand you are a different person.
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Still more is caught than taught.
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So now they're picking up the good things.
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They're not going to repeat what you had to go through right.
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They're going to have a different experience Again.
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They might have some little thing here or there, but from the generational standpoint, whether it's alcoholism, abuse, it's who knows what right.
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You can't eliminate that.
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So again, I think the people who think a generational curse is unbreakable, that's where people get.
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You know that's just a wrong trail, right.
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Yeah, that's a wrong conclusion.
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I think they see it as an excuse.
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You know I can't stop because my family's been doing this for so many years.
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They're not taking responsibility for their own decisions.
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I think that's what I don't like the most about.
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When people talk about generational curses is because I'm wondering well, what is your motive for talking about this?
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Are you wanting to just use it as your crutch as to why you can't or won't change?
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Are you taking responsibility for your part in it?
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Because if you were, then you wouldn't believe that it couldn't be broken.
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Because I'm going on almost 10 years right now, in 2024,.
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I'm going on almost 10 years right now, in 2024.
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I'll be married 10 years.
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That's the longest marriage I've had.
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Unfortunately, my two older kids had to deal with me going through a divorce going through two divorces in my oldest case.
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So I wasn't able to break that curse for them, specifically because my daughter's father also went through a second divorce.
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But that doesn't mean that my younger children won't get to experience what it's like to have their parents intact.
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My three youngest children will see all the hard work that my husband and I put in to staying together.
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My second oldest will be able to see it too, because he still lives with us.
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It's up to my oldest, when she wants to get right with God again, for her to make those decisions and figure out what she's going to do.
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And the reason why I have a hard time with people saying generational curses and just using it as some sort of excuse or not taking responsibility.
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Think of it in this sense.
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My brother isn't a believer.
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His wife is not a believer.
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They've been married for 13 plus years.
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How were they able to do it?
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And I wasn't able to.
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You know, you gotta, you gotta wonder about that too.
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So it's, it's not like it's in the genes.
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It's definitely not in the genes, otherwise I feel like he would be having the same genes as me.
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So I think that's my main hang up with the whole idea of generational curses is because a lot of people not you, of course, but a lot of people don't have the right mindset about it and they're using it as a crutch or they're using it as an excuse to continue going on and they're not taking responsibility for their part in whatever's going on.
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Your ancestors aren't forcing the alcohol down your throat.
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They're forcing the cigarette or the pot into your mouth.
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You're doing that.
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You're making the choices.
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You're hanging around those people that are doing those things as well.
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You're making the bad decision to look at pornography and ruining your marriage or whatever it is.
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You have to take your responsibility for it.
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You cannot just blame your parents.
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Who doesn't love free?
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I know I do.
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That's why I created a free seven-day devotional for those who want to go deeper with God.
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It's a short devotional full of encouragement, guidance and impactful Bible verses related to everyday struggles we all go through.
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I know you will love this devotional as much as I enjoyed writing it and since it's digital, you can do it anywhere anytime Perfect for the person always on the go.
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Get the free devotional when you sign up for my mailing list.
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The link is in the show notes.
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Yeah, I agree.